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  • "A Remedy to Cure all Ills" can only be a lie. But wouldn't it be great if something like this existed?

    Uther feels the same but makes a fatal mistake...

    Please discuss here :-)

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    • This was a good episode. I kinda liked this Edwin guy. And it was nice to see just how much Arthur and Uther care about her (:

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    • Another great episode!

      I felt sorry for Gaius but the end was really happy so I guess all turned out well!

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    • Another episode that gave us a bit information about the great Purge. Even though Edward was the victim in his past when his parents were killed by Uther due to their magic, it was hard to feel sympathy for him now that he abused his powers in order to take revenge and by that even threatening Gaius and Merlin. Even though his desire for revenge was totally understandable, yet not the right thing to do, of course, I was hoping the whole time that he would be stopped by Merlin when watching this episode years ago.

      It would have been a nice idea to present an opposer who was not like a comic-strip villain in order to feel sympathy for Edward. However, I believe that he was portrayed this way in order to make the viewer siding with Merlin and Gaius, if not even with Uther. I'm a bit uncertain which one was the better way - if Edward had been a likable character, everyone would have wanted Uther dead and sided with the very questionable concept of revenge. The way Edward acted by double-crossing and threatening both Merlin and Gaius, plus by tormenting first Morgana and then Uther, the terrible happening of losing his parents as a child somewhat became secondary.

      On the other hand, we know nothing of what Edwin's parents had done in the past.

      Again the danger of magical power was demonstrated even though Edward probably wouldnt have had a reason to act that way if it hadn't been for the death of his parents. And again it was only another magical force, Merlin, that made it possible to stop the threat. Non-magic users/magical beings were once again helpless.

      I liked very much that Merlin and Gaius helped Uther without even questioning it. It was natural that they wouldn't let anyone murder someone else, whether Uther was right or wrong with what he had done. At that point of time, everyone was still in their right senses and Merlin wasn't the selfish and more callous person he would become later. There was still the lesson of acting right or wrong, and the show was still demonstrating that killing was definitely the wrong way.

      I felt very sorry for Gaius who was sitting on the fence and couldn't expose Edwin due to the fact that he threatened to reveal Merlin's powers. However, it was good to see that Uther apologised to Gaius and genuinely was sorry for abandoning him. The scene in which he released Gaius from his duties showed the pain he felt when losing a friend that he saw in Gaius (and at that point of time, the friendship might have been even mutual). Gaius deserved to become a free citizen of Camelot - and Uther admitted his mistake for the first (but not the last) time on the show.

      It was also good to see how much he cared about Morgana.

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    • can i ask you something you guys wont like what the you know why are guys still on this the show ended they just replay it? arthur dies like what the hell i am a fan it sucked how they endend merlin walking on a road past a truck and doesnt live in the castle cause i guessing its found everyone vists well it sucked why couldn't of he come back life and him saying thankyou he should of said thankyou you were my bestfriend something more meanful? xx

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    • i liked the episode last night ahahah that arthur and dont know who to spell her name was kissing hotties hahahah?

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    • Episodes like this makes it very difficult for me to like UTher and gives me more reasons why democracy  is a better idea where no one yields absolute power. Yes I know it has its loopholes too, and no sometimes we need someone to take the absolute decision and yes the more charishmatic and stronger leader will always dominate but  How could anyone not stop Uther for a moment, make him see some sense? Edwin was another such victim for the event. yes he turned villain, yes it was typical *stereotype* villain but was it so difficult to show some sympathy for him in the show.

      The show is all about journey of a boy and him meeting his destiny but its funny how the whole show is so much linear and simpler and childish when one watches it for the second time.

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    • especially when they well arthur went to that olden day castle i liked that one?

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    • It was also good to see how much he cared about Morgana.

      I liked that too, especially since I'd say that it was shown not to be a one-sided bond in this episode; she seemed to be on good terms with him and, at the very least, she understood that he cared for her. Even when Morgana argued in favour of Gaius retaining his job, she could still see that Uther felt so strongly about it because she nearly died.

      It's a real pity that those two weren't allowed to build a more positive relationship.

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    • yeah good episode :)

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    • Alvarr>Edwin

      Though I do like Edwin!!! :D

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    • I love this episode!

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    • One thing I like about this episode is that they didn't have Edwin's parents as innocent victims of the Purge. In the eyes of their son, who was only a child at the time, they were murdered but, by the sounds of things, they were hurting others.

      It was a good way of highlighting the grey areas, that Uther's crusade against magic wasn't purely the result of Ygraine's death. As Gaius pointed out before, magic once caused chaos in Camelot. People like Edwin's parents would have been executed for committing crimes with magic even if Ygraine lived to be a hundred and bore a dozen healthy children. Uther has to have been very wary of magic before Ygraine's death, since he turned on magic as a whole instead of thinking that Nimueh was a bad egg who had tricked him into agreeing to use magic to have a son by Ygraine, knowing that it would cost him his beloved wife. I can't imagine that somebody who believed that magic was a force for good except in the rare cases where it's misused would be led to stamp out magic, to the point of having little children killed, because of the actions of one magic user.

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    • What can I say? I agree with you, ReganX.

      To me it seems that the showrunners didn't know what they actually wanted after the first two seasons. First they do anything to show us that there isn't only black & white and that magic was a dangerous thing that gave Uther very good reasons for fighting it, then they changed it all into the sacred and divine thing that Merlin has to restore at all costs, making Uther the monster and responsible for everything, and then they made magic and the freedom of sorcerers unimportant, told us again how cruel and uncontrollable magic is but still made Uther the monster by turning him into an evil pschopath and by continuing making him responsible for really everything, even when they showed us at the same time (again) that he freed the land from the destructive and oppressing power and rebuilt Camelot to the place we have seen, the place that Arthur ran to protect his people and that Gwen took over after Arthur's death.

      Very weird.

      In the beginning of the show, the viewer learnt (and actually knew already) that not every sorcerer is evil and that, on the other side, Uther wasn't evil either and that there were reasons for the entire situation. Merlin was the one who was supposed to unite the actually incompatible parties by showing us that there is a way to use magic responsibly and that there wasn't only Uther acting out of vengeance but also sorcerers/magic-users who did bad things and followed the same path and concept of vengeance and also of corrupted power.

      And then, pooof, all gone. Magic is bad but Merlin is not, but Uther is bad too but Arthur and everyone else who supported the ban of magic aren't.

      That's why I was also so annoyed by "The Sins of the Father" which could have been such an amazing epsiode if it hadn't been for overlooking season one, for Merlin's sudden amnesia and self-righteousness and for Arthur's sudden hatred for his father that caused him to believe a stranger and to try to kill Uther who he actually loved so much. This episode changed what was logical and fascinating before and started to slowly shift the show into a black & white story only.

      While Igraine's death surely was the main reason for the hatred of magic, I too am convinced that her death was the trigger and the eye-opener for Uther. Given that magic had almost destroyed the land before he came to Camelot, Igraine's death showed him that magic was tempting and uncontrollable. He as the king couldn't control it and was seduced by it, plus the fact that a friend, Nimueh, betrayed him. No good came out of magic, except Arthur's birth that caused the death of an innocent person at the same time and showed him that magic can never be trusted and can never be resisted as long as it whispered sweet lies into your ears.

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    • To me it seems that the showrunners didn't know what they actually wanted after the first two seasons. First they do anything to show us that there isn't only black & white and that magic was a dangerous thing that gave Uther very good reasons for fighting it, then they changed it all into the sacred and divine thing that Merlin has to restore at all costs, making Uther the monster and responsible for everything, and then they made magic and the freedom of sorcerers unimportant, told us again how cruel and uncontrollable magic is but still made Uther the monster by turning him into an evil pschopath and by continuing making him responsible for really everything, even when they showed us at the same time (again) that he freed the land from the destructive and oppressing power and rebuilt Camelot to the place we have seen, the place that Arthur ran to protect his people and that Gwen took over after Arthur's death.

      That's something that really annoyed me about the show.

      It would have made sense had it been a case of Uther viewing magic as something that can be used to cause harm, and being wary of magic users because he thought that their power made them prone to temptation to misuse it before Ygraine's death, and then coming to view it as an evil. At one point, he had enough faith in magic to believe that it could give him the son he needed, although I'd say that it's a safe bet that it was a last resort because he didn't want to have to end his marriage to Ygraine in order to find a wife who could bear him children. There was also inconsistency in terms of Nimueh's culpability in Ygraine's death; in Excalibur, she claims that she didn't know that Ygraine would die and that, had she known, she would never have used magic to help her bear a son - interestingly, her choice of words "granted your wish" suggests that Uther might have been the one to approach her, not vice versa. In Le Morte d'Arthur, the indication is that she knowingly condemned Ygraine to death when it lay in her power to choose somebody else.

      The Excalibur angle makes more sense to me; I could see a younger, generally well-meaning Nimueh toying with forces that she wasn't equipped to handle, perhaps hoping that her help would give Uther a more favourable opinion of magic, and then having it blow up in her face because, while she knew that there would be a price, it didn't occur to her that this would mean that the life taken would be one that it would pain Uther to lose. The Purge happens and Nimueh goes on to avenge herself by targetting Uther's kingdom. The fact that the Questing Beast targetted Arthur could have been the Old Religion's way of righting Nimueh's wrong by ending a life that was not meant to begin. However, having Nimueh deliberately responsible for Ygraine, Hunith and Gaius' lives being offered up as the price for Arthur's gave Merlin a handy excuse to sacrifice an unwilling victim so he could have his own way.

      I think that Season Three was a wasted opportunity because, had they not had Morgana turn evil, they could have had her genuinely rebuild her relationship with Uther and both of them would have had to struggle with their bond as father and daughter versus the bad blood over magic. They could have had a lot to explore. Had Uther been able to accept Morgana's magic out of love for his daughter, would it have been a line in the sand or the thin edge of a wedge? How would Morgana have dealt with the idea of being the only person with magic who was completely safe from persecution? It's a fanfic I'd like to read.

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    • did you see the one sunday awsome

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    • "I think that Season Three was a wasted opportunity because, had they not had Morgana turn evil, they could have had her genuinely rebuild her relationship with Uther and both of them would have had to struggle with their bond as father and daughter versus the bad blood over magic. They could have had a lot to explore. Had Uther been able to accept Morgana's magic out of love for his daughter, would it have been a line in the sand or the thin edge of a wedge? How would Morgana have dealt with the idea of being the only person with magic who was completely safe from persecution? It's a fanfic I'd like to read."

      Me too.  So you better hurry and write a fanfic about it! :-D My English skills are not good enough to write one and I wouldn't have time to write anyway. However, I'm currently reading a fanfic that, so far, seems to give some answers about the entire Uther-thing and the Old Religion, the Great Purge, Morgana etc... Quite interesting.

      As for turning Morgana evil and dropping the potential to create a more positive relationship between Uther and Morgana, I'm pretty sure that it would have upstaged the Merlin/Arthur story and it would have taken away the focus on the banter and the journey of them. The entire Morgana/Uther story was - sorry to say - too intelligent for the show. It would have become a show on its own and naturally, they both would have been in the centre of the events which would have been something that the show wasn't supposed to be about. Given that the target audience wanted to see Arthur and Merlin and that the stories became more simplistic in the last two seasons, the Morgana/Uther-relationship would have delivered different stories that would have been for a different audience. No banter, no naive storylines but more serious, complex and adult storylines.

      When looking back at the seasons, every interesting, multidimensional and mature character was either killed off or being put in the background or changed. Guest stars as well as main protagonists. Tristan and Isolde, Ruadan, Uther, Lancelot, the Diamair... Kilgharrah hardly appeared, Gaius was put in the background and had no important things to do anymore (his entire past, the Great Purge, his relationship with Uther and the dragon, all gone poof), Morgana was changed into a caricature of herself. They all would have taken over the show and distracted from the juvenile bromance. Which is one of the reasons why Merlin and Arthur (together) irritated me a lot as the show proceeded because every time an interesting plotline or character started to develop, it was/they were sacrificed again in order to focus on Arthur bantering with Merlin and taking him on missions with campfires and whatnot. I liked them both, just not when they were together. Arthur was great with Uther and Mithian but boring with Merlin and Gwen. Merlin was great with Gwen, Gaius, Morgana and Uther, also with Lancelot and Gwaine, but boring with Arthur. Gaius and Uther were great with really everyone, as was Lancelot.

      As for Uther asking Nimueh, as I understand it, Uther sent Gaius to Nimueh on his behalf. So according to my understanding, Uther indeed was the one who asked for magical help and Nimueh granted him his wish, yet she was indeed the one who chose Igraine, as was stated by both Merlin and Gaius. Before Igraine died, Uther obviously had no big problem with magic, at least he tolreated it and also was friends with Nimueh (as stated by Nimueh herself). I would imgagine that he thought that magic could only be controlled with magic, which might be the reason why he was friends with a High Priestess. Maybe he saw it in a similar way like Gaius or Merlin did, that magic was simply a tool and not evil itself at that point of time, until he saw that it always corrupted.

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    • you know what  i hated how magana died should died  by a battle  y getting stabed what the fudge

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    • Hi Elena. What you wrote here:

      "you know what  i hated how magana died should died  by a battle  y getting stabed what the fudg"

      I wasn't a fan of Morgana (anymore, since season three) but yes, her death was very unspectacular. Having a character like her for five seasons and then she's just killed within a few seconds and forgotten again, as if she had never even been there.

      But what can  say? To me the entire finale was a terrible disaster. As were season four and five.

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    • yeah we waiting for this fantastic ending and what do you get you get mongana stabed what the hell and if arthur hadn't of had that hour rest he might of lived but he did need i guess and all the good guys die and you see merlin walking beside a road  guessing the castle wax found and others and made an mussem and he couldnt of lived there anymore :(

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    • yeah and so was i i liked magana

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    • "I think that Season Three was a wasted opportunity because, had they not had Morgana turn evil, they could have had her genuinely rebuild her relationship with Uther and both of them would have had to struggle with their bond as father and daughter versus the bad blood over magic. They could have had a lot to explore. Had Uther been able to accept Morgana's magic out of love for his daughter, would it have been a line in the sand or the thin edge of a wedge? How would Morgana have dealt with the idea of being the only person with magic who was completely safe from persecution? It's a fanfic I'd like to read."

      Me too.  So you better hurry and write a fanfic about it! :-D My English skills are not good enough to write one and I wouldn't have time to write anyway. However, I'm currently reading a fanfic that, so far, seems to give some answers about the entire Uther-thing and the Old Religion, the Great Purge, Morgana etc... Quite interesting.

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      Me 3. I would like to read how their dynamics change. Does Uther totally protect her, does he give up his suspicion of magic now that his own flesh and blood is born with it. What happens where there is any trouble knocking at the door. Does he apply for magical cure, pushing Morgana to use her powers to aid him in administration? Would he come public with it? Both the info. If something magical happens in Camelot, good or bad, of which he has no prior knowledge, will he be able not to suspect that his daughter might have some hand in it. How would he stop from doubting her intentions? How would Morgana react, now knowing she is royal blood but still she is number 2, as Arthur gets the throne. Now that they know they are the closest thing to family, would they help each other or constantly plot against each other. How easy would it be for Merlin to practice his skill in the palace? Could he maybe confess to Morgana. Could they become friends like they used to be before he poisoned her? Could Morgana open up about how much it actually hurt her that her friend would not believe her and had he told her the truth she would willingly have helped him get rid of plague?  Would Merlin help her as a fellow being with  magic or only support Arthur even if it means goin against her. What if there is a romantic angle, just for fun. Or would Uther just banish her and condemn her magic, to protect Arthur, the legitimate heir to the throne. So many interesting speculations!!!

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      As for turning Morgana evil and dropping the potential to create a more positive relationship between Uther and Morgana, I'm pretty sure that it would have upstaged the Merlin/Arthur story and it would have taken away the focus on the banter and the journey of them. The entire Morgana/Uther story was - sorry to say - too intelligent for the show. It would have become a show on its own and naturally, they both would have been in the centre of the events which would have been something that the show wasn't supposed to be about. Given that the target audience wanted to see Arthur and Merlin and that the stories became more simplistic in the last two seasons, the Morgana/Uther-relationship would have delivered different stories that would have been for a different audience. No banter, no naive storylines but more serious, complex and adult storylines.

      When looking back at the seasons, every interesting, multidimensional and mature character was either killed off or being put in the background or changed. Guest stars as well as main protagonists. Tristan and Isolde, Ruadan, Uther, Lancelot, the Diamair... Kilgharrah hardly appeared, Gaius was put in the background and had no important things to do anymore (his entire past, the Great Purge, his relationship with Uther and the dragon, all gone poof), Morgana was changed into a caricature of herself. They all would have taken over the show and distracted from the juvenile bromance. Which is one of the reasons why Merlin and Arthur (together) irritated me a lot as the show proceeded because every time an interesting plotline or character started to develop, it was/they were sacrificed again in order to focus on Arthur bantering with Merlin and taking him on missions with campfires and whatnot. I liked them both, just not when they were together. Arthur was great with Uther and Mithian but boring with Merlin and Gwen. Merlin was great with Gwen, Gaius, Morgana and Uther, also with Lancelot and Gwaine, but boring with Arthur. Gaius and Uther were great with really everyone, as was Lancelot.

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      Merlin is the hero of the show and Arthur is his unknowing sidekick. So its natural there will be loads of scenes of them together. But I don’t know why you think their scenes were not great. Some of them were quite good; I enjoyed their banter a lot. That being said, word on wastage of character development and complicated character. Do you watch the show Once upon a time? Fantasy/ real world drama. I think I read somewhere you do. I like that show for the way they develop characters. Yes the show has its share of mishaps and bloopers, but overall, the plot lines tie together nicely and none of the characters are uni-dimensional. Everyone has their backstory nicely etched out or forming into a nice shape. And side characters are also given time and interactions with each other and main characters. This show could have done that. I suppose for that, you need to think far ahead and plot accordingly spreading the plotline into small story arcs.  Quite like Rowling and her HP series. The way she tied everything down, even though the end was a bit of deux ex machina, still. Its refreshing the way all the plotlines, right from beginning tied down together.

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      As for Uther asking Nimueh, as I understand it, Uther sent Gaius to Nimueh on his behalf. So according to my understanding, Uther indeed was the one who asked for magical help and Nimueh granted him his wish, yet she was indeed the one who chose Igraine, as was stated by both Merlin and Gaius. Before Igraine died, Uther obviously had no big problem with magic, at least he tolreated it and also was friends with Nimueh (as stated by Nimueh herself). I would imgagine that he thought that magic could only be controlled with magic, which might be the reason why he was friends with a High Priestess. Maybe he saw it in a similar way like Gaius or Merlin did, that magic was simply a tool and not evil itself at that point of time, until he saw that it always corrupted.

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      Power corrupts all the time, it can corrupt even the best intentions. That’s why one who yields power have to have immaculate integrity and strength of character. Even Uther was corrupted by his power.

      However I do not think he was really “friends” with Nimueh. Rather a strategic ally. Friends do not turn on friends so easily. They are supposed to stick together through thick and thin.

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    • "Power corrupts all the time, it can corrupt even the best intentions. That’s why one who yields power have to have immaculate integrity and strength of character. Even Uther was corrupted by his power. "

      Totally, yes. That's why he obviously realised that no one could ever control either magic or the own desire to use it.  Imagine, in reality and our time, let's say half of the human population had or used magic and the other half doesn't. Including magic that makes people being possessed and manipulates them, opens the veils to the Spirit World, brings back the dead, creates immortal armies and controls the elements.... What a chaos! We would have destroyed this planet already. Even minor and a little more harmless magic would be used for selfish and wrong reasons. The good magic could never outweigh what people would do with real powers that would destroy everything. What people try to achieve today, with technology and weapons, is nothing compared to such magic we've seen on the show because while, for example, nuclear weapons are not really available for every person on the street, magic would get its grip on ordinary people as well as on leaders and governments. In our world and reality, we have to keep a balance between megalomania and sense and we know that we are not all powerful and that we depend on others. Now give people like dictators, racists, mass murders/serial killers and everyone else the power of magic... we wouldn't survive a year.

      As for Nimueh, she said to Uther that they were friends. I believe that they really were - but, honestly, if my friend betrayed me and killed my loved one, I wouldn't stick together with them anymore.... In my opinion, the friendship was one-sided and Nimueh actually used Uther for whatever purpose and reason.

      Yes, I watch Once Upon a Time and I think it's great. Much better quality than Merlin was since season four and five. I like how they connect everyone to each other, how the stories are developed and the way they develop from the characters. The characters aren't used to serve a story like Merlin's season four and five did, but the other way around: the stories develop from the character's progression. It's really a great show.

      Yes, of course Merlin and Arthur were the main protagonists and it's only natural that they were the focus of the show. But at the same time, their story and relatinship killed every other interesting story and character development. Why else are there so many plotholes and inconsistencies? So many plotlines and characters have been thrown out of the window in order to show us Merlin and Arthur having campfires and confessing their friendship to each other. That was extremely boring to me.

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    • Yes, Exactly. Given the inherent human nature of self preservation, self centeredness and self progression, it would be a total chaos. We already are in a chaotic world, with ample example of what happens when undeserving people get the power and only a select few are chosen to be the inner circle of power, politics nowadays, had there been such an aphrodisiac like magic in it, it would have been  disaster.

      Thats where the plot has loopholes. Had Nimueh intentionally betrayed him and killed his loved one, or it was an accident and she had no more control on it than he did.

      Actually even in the first 3 seasons, now looking backwards, the plot did not really have any direction. Characters came in  randomly and vanished, to come up at a later time or not.

      Although sometimes I feel OUAT writers make it too intricate and bring in too many people and make it a bit congested.


      I know, those fireside confessions at a dense forest of how great a friend you are, how great a leader you are, how brave you are, I will never leave your , are so repetitive and funny. Specially because after 10 minutes, in same episode, Arthur will flip around.

      BTW: Was watching servant of two masters and it was quite clear something happened for the rockfall, and Merlin was saying or doing something, but even then Arthur never suspects Merlin maybe more than what he seems? Boy he was made extra thick just for the heck of it I feel. Even the leads of the shows were stereotyped.

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    • Guys, one question, probably anybody knows, what's this ost playing in the very beginning of the episode, when a beatle comes into Morgana's ear, and then when Edwin stays with Uther in the end? Tried to find it but failed, Shazam says nothing(

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    • The tracks repeat themselves in the episodes. Maybe you can find the track you're looking for by listening to the official Merlin Soundtrack. It might have been used in another scene of a different episode.

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    • Right, interesting posts here too- I would agree with Fimber that while Edwin's backstory had the potential to make him sympathetic, the way he is portrayed makes him vile


      I've already said my opinion on a few of the characters above, won't write it here, because it's not personally relevant to my comment haha

      And eh, not really agreeing about OUAT- I find it slow and convoluted- I love Merlin more

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    • Oh yeah, and I agree this is one of the episodes which gives a more well-rounded view of Uther, where there are parts that even I could understand, and even sympathise with him

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    • A Lurker in the Woods
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